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Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.12.11 10:09:00 - [1] better to fit a cap booster intead of rechargers for pvp... and your tank/ecm will be too weak for any decent solo pvp also for this kind of setup a pest will perform better... better dps, or similar with noses, 1 more low slot for tankage... faster and more agile... a phoon will be probably even more effective
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.12.11 10:16:00 - [2] problem is that the ship is alredy quite crap... so if you don't even use one of its bonuses you will end up with a veeeery poor setup and spending twice or more than for a pest or a phoon also to make the crapstrom remotely work you need to be in a gang with tacklers so you can fit a huge shield or an ew boat... (even if personally in such situations i prefer a phoon anyday)
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.12.11 10:45:00 - [3] Originally by: Jim McGregor Ath Amon hates this ship with a passion for some reason, even though its a really good gang ship. Yes, it sucks solo like ALL shield tankers, but it rocks in a group. Better tanking than a Raven and higher dps as well with the heavy drones. mmm don't know if i really hate it... is just that it was supposed to be an arty platform and we all know it doesn't work that way... and note that minnies now have not anymore any decent fleet ship then i tought... mmmm this shield recharge time is not bad... maybe it can work in passive mode with hails... had some fun fitting a huge passive tank (passive tanked a large pos in 2 lol :P) and then it got rebalanced so i lost all the hope for this ship... also i said that in gang it can have some use... but for my taste at that point i'll grab a phoon with ew and tank
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.12.11 11:02:00 - [4] actually a phoon can tank 1k dps with full tank and it can still deal around 800dps with 8 weapons or around 600 with 4 nos it have also 3 free midslots as 1 will go for cap... (this is the most defensive setup, of course adding damage mods dps can go up) in gank imo ew is generally better than tankage... tank is benefical to the group only if you are the target while ew is always usefull and can protect both yourself and your comrades
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.12.11 13:11:00 - [5] Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 Originally by: Ath Amon actually a phoon can tank 1k dps with full tank and it can still deal around 800dps with 8 weapons or around 600 with 4 nos it have also 3 free midslots as 1 will go for cap... (this is the most defensive setup, of course adding damage mods dps can go up) in gank imo ew is generally better than tankage... tank is benefical to the group only if you are the target while ew is always usefull and can protect both yourself and your comrades what kind of weapons can u fit with a full 2 lar and whatnot tank? 425 and cruise perhaps... so i doubt the 800 dps output. 1400II x8 3x sbII, 2 TC II, ECCM 3 gyrostabs, RCU, Damage control can't check but i think you can fit at least 425mm + siege and dual rep, probably even 650mm also as we are speaking about gank the phoon doesn't really need a mwd as its have less range problems than a mael or a pest... and that is a lot of space saved the dps difference between 425mm and 800mm is not that big, probably on a phoon is around 40 dps and half of that with 650mm
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.12.12 13:13:00 - [6] yup gang only... shield tankers are considered gang pvp only because to solo you need to use 2-3 more slots so actually there is not much space left to fit a tank also the shield oriented ships are quite slow and cumbersome so they have also some troubles to catch an enemy or dictate range.
Ath Amon	Posted - 2007.04.11 12:42:00 - [7] Edited by: Ath Amon on 11/04/2007 12:39:54 Originally by: Caldari Online Edited by: Caldari Online on 11/04/2007 12:02:05 Originally by: Kagura Nikon Originally by: Caldari Online the 800mm t2, 3dmg mod, 3 falloff rig maelstrom is overpowered expect at lest a stacking nerf on those rigs, enjoy it while it lasts which tbh will be 6-12months at lest knowing tux Funny that you are the only person in eve comunity that thinks maesltrom is overpowered... while 80% of people think mael sucks (granted they are also wrong) it is overpowered with AC and 3x falloff rigs . but devs dont do anything until many whine. as for enough people to whine, the mael needs to kill a couple thousand ships. then people will cry overpwoered and it or the rigs will recieve a nerf blasterthron has killed many in its time, and people are saying it is overpowered or too strong ect but mael is a blasterthron with 50km range, no cap guns, 1100dps, different dmg types ect imo it needs its rof changed into a dmg bonus (1400 alpha) and the falloff mods needs to be limited to 1 per ship. but tbh i dont really care about balance anymore becuase we are all becoming multirace specilised my main has max skills in all 3 gun races guns (bar specilisation lvl 5), max drone skills, it means i can jump into any FOTM unless its caldari. i see within a year no one will complain becuase most people will be able to use at lest 2 or 3 of the races this is simply not true, mael can break 1k dps only with hails, with barrage it sits at around 900 dps with 3gyro, so i doubt that it can deal 1.1k at 50km at that distance with barrage it should be just around 600dps (faloff rigs included) a phoon with 425mm + siege and 2 bcu do around same max dmg with a bit less than 900dps but a way better dmg curve, over 700dps at 50km such phoon can fit a 5 slot armor tank. 3 armor rigs and have 4 mid slots free for ew... even if using a mid for a cap booster it can still fit 3 damps or sensor + damps... i will not call the mael overpowered... personally i will take a phoon over a mael anyday even gang warfare... more stable dps, bit less tank but ew capability... at half the price too :P Originally by: Diana Merris Unfortunately, rather than address the slot layout/tanking issues for Minmatar the Devs have simple declared that it makes us "versitile".
Ath Amon	Posted - 2007.04.11 12:54:00 - [8] Originally by: Caldari Online Originally by: Ath Amon this is simply not true, mael can break 1k dps only with hails, with barrage it sits at around 900 dps with 3gyro, so i doubt that it can deal 1.1k at 50km i didnt say it can do 1100dps at 50km. i said it can do 1100dps which it can with drones. but WOW @ 900DPS with barrage Originally by: Ath Amon at that distance with barrage it should be just around 600dps (faloff rigs included) and that isnt overpwoered? lol not at all, you should nerf half the BS of eve if you think that 600dps at 50km is overpowered... abaddon have over 900dps at 50km (and generally all amarr BS have good dps at that distance) raven 800dps phoon 700dps and ehm... at that distance an hype with 350mm rails have more than 600dps... Originally by: Diana Merris Unfortunately, rather than address the slot layout/tanking issues for Minmatar the Devs have simple declared that it makes us "versitile".
Ath Amon	Posted - 2007.04.11 13:11:00 - [9] Edited by: Ath Amon on 11/04/2007 13:09:43 Originally by: Caldari Online i have yet to see proof of mael hitting at 50km for 1.1k dmg... also to my reply you said that you didn't meant to say that mael do 1.1k at 50km then on other reply you said that again... we are also speaking of gang setups (as Mael is a gang ship) if you start to say... raven have not webber and mwd or thing like that you have also to consider that if mael start to fit mwd, webber, can inj it will end up with a 3+1 slot shield tank that i can't hardly call a good tank and about the dmg i posted and setups... here the proof edit in the graph i gave a inbuilt 55% faloff bonus to mael to simulate rigs Originally by: Diana Merris Unfortunately, rather than address the slot layout/tanking issues for Minmatar the Devs have simple declared that it makes us "versitile".
Ath Amon	Posted - 2007.04.11 13:34:00 - [10] look again at the graph... it is alredy counting t2 ogres... and i repeat abaddon do 900dps and at 50km have no tracking problems against a webbed ship a raven with cruise will be also above 600dps and not much troubles against cruisers too... Originally by: Diana Merris Unfortunately, rather than address the slot layout/tanking issues for Minmatar the Devs have simple declared that it makes us "versitile".
Ath Amon	Posted - 2007.04.11 13:57:00 - [11] Originally by: Caldari Online Originally by: Ath Amon look again at the graph... it is alredy counting t2 ogres... and i repeat abaddon do 900dps and at 50km have no tracking problems against a webbed ship a raven with cruise will be also above 600dps and not much troubles against cruisers too... cool. can you sell me a 50km webber then please also can you sell me an abadon with no cap guns. and a tank with those 8 tachs thank you. oh if its not too much trouble i want a mwd inbuilt too, to get out of those pesky bubbles thanks love <3 crusie missile sig = 225 crusier sig = 150 damage = 150/225 = 66% you need at lest 1 TP to do good dmg. 2 to do max damage on a raven. mael needs no tracking computer or TP to hit crusiers for full dmg at 50km! lol you are serious? we again we are speaking of gangs.. so if you want to compare at 50km we imply that there is a tackler that keep the opponent webbed and scrambled... and was you to say that at that distance mael is overpowered for its uber 600dps (not 1.1k as you wrongly say) or plz sell me a mael with +100% inbuilt dmg mod that i will really need it :) also we are speaking aboung gangs so if i have a 50km webber or not is not an issue as in the maelstrom i will not fit it, also.. surprise, the mael will not fit the mwd to get out of nasty bubble as scrams and other things or plz... sell me a mael with 10 mid slots so i can fit cap inj, webber, mwd, scram and a nice 6slot shield tank :) Originally by: Diana Merris Unfortunately, rather than address the slot layout/tanking issues for Minmatar the Devs have simple declared that it makes us "versitile".

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